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IFS Informed EMDR: Bruce Hersey, LCSW

May 4


IFS-Informed EMDR: The Internal Family Systems Interweave









By Bruce Hersey, LCSW 









DATE:          Monday, May 4, 2020   

TIME:           9:00 (registration 8:30AM)-4:00 PM 


FEE:$220.  Early Bird (prior to 4/1/20  $185)

New discounted fee for both individuals and groups:  $195 prior to 4/17/20 $170


Includes technical support, handouts,  and Continuing Education credits (including EMDRIA credits).

Registration is limited to 50 and on a first-come-first-served basis. Please scroll to the bottom of this page to register.

Program Description:

Enhance your perspective, make new connections, integrate these two models in creative new ways. When using EMDR, many practitioners have found that, very quickly, we find ourselves dealing with ego states, resistance, and difficulties establishing target states, overwhelm, or maintaining effective dual attention.

Francine Shapiro understood this early on and supplemented the Standard Protocol with the Cognitive Interweave.  Many others have since suggested various other interweaves and supplementary or alternative protocols, as well as Resource Development and Installation (RDI).

Internal Family Systems, a systemic ego state model, when superimposed on the EMDR process provides an illuminating map of the process and serves as a guide in selecting the appropriate interweaves or interventions at critical points throughout the EMDR standard protocol.

Participants will learn that functional Dual Attention requires Self-Presence and the co-presence or activation of a Target Part in relationship to the Self. This workshop promotes the understanding that many problems commonly encountered in the EMDR can be averted by recognizing this principle and applying simple practices taught here.

Methods Used for this Training:

Lecture with PowerPoint slides, with video clips of actual sessions to illustrate and practice exercises.

Please see HERE for for a short clip of Bruce Hersey describing IFS informed EMDR


Meet the Instructor:’=

Bruce Hersey, LCSW, is an Approved Consultant in EMDR & Clinical Hypnosis (EMDRIA & ASCH), an AASECT Certified Supervisor in Sex Therapy, and also Certified in IFS (Internal Family Systems Therapy). He is IFS Level Three Trained, a three-time Level One Program Assistant, three-time presenter at the IFS International Conference, and owner & moderator of the Linkedin international discussion group: The Internal Family Systems Network. He practices at Heartspace Wellness Alliance, a space for professional trainings, counseling and wellness practices in Altoona, PA.





8:30-9:00                Registration


9:00-9:45                1. Introduction & Overview

  • EMDR & IFS; evidence-based practices
  • Within EMDRIA Definition of EMDR
  • Specified situations and population
  • IFS perspective w/o modification of Standard Protocol
  • IFS language fosters improved communication, understanding & rapport
  • First four phases in this workshop
  • IFS-Informed Assessment Phase, in particular
  • IFS-Informed Scales, IFS Interweaves
  • EMDR, EST, IFS basic concept equivalence
  • EMDR platform, EST framework, IFS layer


9:45-10:15              2. Neuro Networks, Ego States, Parts & Energy

  • What are Ego States?
  • State-Dependent Memory
  • Elements of Internal Experience; EMDR, NLP, BASK, SIBAM
  • Burdens, Intentions, & Energy
  • Protector Positive Intention (PPI), Protector Negative Cognition (PNC)
  • Measuring Energy; SUD
  • IFS-Informed Protector Scales; LUU, LUA, LIA, LUP


10:15-10:30            Break


10:30-11:00            3. Self & Energy

  • Augmented Adaptive Information System
  • 8C’s, 5P’s, Every Imaginable Resource
  • Safety, Security, Stability, Self-Soothing, Affect Regulation
  • Relational & Spiritual Layers
  • Preparation Phase; Eliciting and Sustaining Self-Presence
  • Measuring Self-Energy; POS IFS-Informed Scales
  • CIPOS, Back-of-the-Head Scale
  • 3m Self-Energy Scales Session Video Clips


11:00-12:00            Experiential Exercise, Video,  And/or Demonstration: Protectors


12:00-12:30              Lunch


12:30–1:00                4. Re-Defining Dual Attention

  • Self-Presence + Burdened Part
  • Window of Tolerance; OverArousal & UnderArousal thru IFS lens
  • Unblending, Direct Access, LUP
  • Self Presence in the Relational Field
  • Internal Communication v. Direct Access & the Dual Attention Frame

1:00–1:30                5. IFS-Informed Assessment Phase

  • Optimizing Target Conditions
  • Part-specific elements & SUD
  • Self-informed PC, Part-specific VOC
  • Interpreting EMDR Target Components in PARTS/SELF language


1:30-2:00                6. Flow of IFS-Informed EMDR

  • Session Video
  • Discussion


2:00-2:15                Break


2:15–3:00                Experiential Exercise, or Video: Eliciting Self-Presence in Assessment Phase


3:00-3:45                Demonstration: Eliciting Self-Presence in Assessment Phase


3:45-4:00                Wrap-up, Q&A, Evaluations


CE Information:

It is for Approved for 6 CEUs by EMDRIA, & IFS recertification through the IFS Institute.

Continuing Education Credit (6) is approved through Commonwealth Educational Seminars for the following professions:  Psychologists, Social workers, Mental Health Counselors, and LMFTs. It is the participant’s responsibility to check with their individual state boards to verify CE requirements for their state.


Commonwealth Educational Seminars is approved by the American Psychological Association to sponsor continuing education for psychologists. Commonwealth Educational Seminars maintains responsibility for these programs and their content.


Social Workers:

Commonwealth Educational Seminars (CES) is entitled to award continuing education credit for Social Workers. Please visit CES CE CREDIT to see all states that are covered for Social Workers. CES maintains responsibility for this program and its content.


Commonwealth Educational Seminars is recognized by the New York State Education Department’s State Board for Social Work as an approved provider of continuing education for licensed social workers. #SW-0444.


Recommended reading to prepare for the workshop:

Fisher, Janina. (2017). Healing the Fragmented Selves of Trauma Survivors: Overcoming Internal Self-Alienation Taylor and Francis.

Gomez, A. M. & Krause, P. K. (2013). EMDR Therapy and the Use of Internal Family Systems Strategies With Children, In A. M. Gomez, (Ed.), EMDR Therapy and Adjunct Approaches with Children (pp. 299–345). New York, NY: Springer publishing.

Knipe, J (2018) EMDR Toolbox: Theory and Treatment Methods for Complex PTSD and Dissociation. (Second Edition). Springer, New York.

Steele, K. Boon, S., & van der Hart, O. (2017) Treating Trauma-Related Dissociation: A Practical, Integrative Approach. New York: Norton.


Registrants for IFS-Informed EMDR must have completed EMDR basic training and have at least 3 hours of IFS workshop experience to register for this workshop.  There is a lot of information which is presented in an integrated form. There will be no introduction or review of the basics of either model. It is course about integrating two models with the assumption participants are familiar enough with both to follow the discussion.

Reading IFS does not accomplish the IFS requirement. There is a process aspect to it, and experiential, video, or demo exposure gets that across in a way that reading does not. If you do not yet meet this requirement, use the time before the workshop to meet the IFS prerequisite. The IFS prerequisite can be easily satisfied by taking a 3 hour online course offered by Bruce Hersey at emdrifs.com titled “IFS for EMDR Therapists.” 

Other links to providers of IFS workshops to satisfy prerequisite:

The Center for Self-Leadership

Derek Scott/IFSCA

Jay Earley, PhD/Personal Growth Programs

Lois Ehrmann, PhD/The Individual & Family CHOICES Program



Learning Objectives:

After completing this workshop, participants will be able to:


  1. List two advantageous aspects of the IFS concept of Self that are not explicitly included in EMDR’s Adaptive Information Processing (AIP) system.
  2. Explain the relationship between functional Dual Attention and Self-Presence.
  3. Describe the concept of energy as it applies to Protective Parts and how this can be measured and processed within EMDR.
  4. Describe the concept of energy as it applies to qualities of Self and how these can be measured and installed as a resource within EMDR.
  5. List at least one way that IFS language can used in obtaining a NC, PC or VOC.

Target audience:  Mental Health & Associated Professionals,

Level:  Intermediate & Advanced

Application Deadline

May 1, 2020 or until all training spaces are filled, whichever comes first.

 Notification of Acceptance

 Applicants will be notified, via email, of acceptance when registration is complete and payment is received.

Refund/Cancellation Policy 

Tuition/registration payments are refundable (minus $30) until April 15, 2020. Cancellations after this date are non-refundable but registrant will be entitled to a credit towards a future training. . In this situation, we will attempt to find someone to take your slot (based on our waiting list).


 Conference site is an accessible, barrier-free location.  Reasonable accommodations can be made for individuals with visual and/or hearing impairments if needed.

Note: As of 4/1, this has been changed to a webinar format.

Grievance Policy

Nachas Consulting seeks to ensure equitable treatment of every person and to make every attempt to resolve grievances in a fair manner. Please submit a written grievance to nachasconsulting@gmail.com or 917-862-2427. Grievances will receive, to the best of our ability, corrective action in order to prevent further problems.

Accommodations for the disabled.

Nachas Consulting’s training facilities are not handicap accessible. Individuals needing special accommodations, please contact:  nachasconsulting@gmail.com or 917-862-2427

Note: As of 4/1, this has been changed to a webinar.

Please note: For those who cannot make it in person, they can also register to participate via recording, which will be available for 3 months following the training. Registrants who wish to avail themselves of this option should please register here and submit payment. At that point, please send us an email indicating your interest in participating via recording and specify that “I understand that the recording is not to be shared, duplicated, or distributed.”









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